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	<title>Comments on: Raconteurs &#8211; Consolers of The Lonely Review</title>
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		<title>By: Allan</title>
		<link>http://awmusic.ca/2008/08/16/raconteurs-consolers-of-the-lonely-review/comment-page-1/#comment-2977</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 03:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like most of the discography of the Stripes.</description>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
		<link>http://awmusic.ca/2008/08/16/raconteurs-consolers-of-the-lonely-review/comment-page-1/#comment-2975</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 02:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE FUCKING TALKING ABOUT! glam rock? Metal? The Raconteurs are the farthest things from that. And you think they are at their best when they sound like the stripes? Fuck you! oh yeah, what songs do you like by the white stripes? icky thump? seven nation army? hotel yorba? you are a fucking joke. what did you want attention? (no pun intended) well you know what i think i gave you to much alredy. GOOD DAY Sir!




PS&gt; its not a fucking side project you sorry peace of shit


BEHOLD: The Raconteurs Bitch!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE FUCKING TALKING ABOUT! glam rock? Metal? The Raconteurs are the farthest things from that. And you think they are at their best when they sound like the stripes? Fuck you! oh yeah, what songs do you like by the white stripes? icky thump? seven nation army? hotel yorba? you are a fucking joke. what did you want attention? (no pun intended) well you know what i think i gave you to much alredy. GOOD DAY Sir!</p>
<p>PS&gt; its not a fucking side project you sorry peace of shit</p>
<p>BEHOLD: The Raconteurs Bitch!</p>
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		<title>By: AWmusic&#8217;s Worst Albums of 2008 &#124; AWmusic</title>
		<link>http://awmusic.ca/2008/08/16/raconteurs-consolers-of-the-lonely-review/comment-page-1/#comment-2676</link>
		<dc:creator>AWmusic&#8217;s Worst Albums of 2008 &#124; AWmusic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 00:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] town was bad. Human by The Killers  #3 The Raconteurs - Consolers of The Lonely Original Rating: 1.25 out of 5 While the original concentrated on other subjects regarding the marketing. Some critics calling it [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] town was bad. Human by The Killers  #3 The Raconteurs &#8211; Consolers of The Lonely Original Rating: 1.25 out of 5 While the original concentrated on other subjects regarding the marketing. Some critics calling it [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Allan</title>
		<link>http://awmusic.ca/2008/08/16/raconteurs-consolers-of-the-lonely-review/comment-page-1/#comment-1338</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, you&#039;re right about the writing not mattering a lot of the time. It&#039;s sad and yeah you are definitely the authority on that regard considering your more established website.

You&#039;re right that some blogs take it too far. I don&#039;t like posting album leaks and full albums and profiting traffic on it. In that sense we are worse then p2p networks.

It&#039;s really about the music at the end of the day, Radiohead pulled in more money than then they received from most record labels with the &quot;pay with you want thing&quot; but it was really because everyone seemed to love the album (except me of course ;)).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, you&#8217;re right about the writing not mattering a lot of the time. It&#8217;s sad and yeah you are definitely the authority on that regard considering your more established website.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right that some blogs take it too far. I don&#8217;t like posting album leaks and full albums and profiting traffic on it. In that sense we are worse then p2p networks.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really about the music at the end of the day, Radiohead pulled in more money than then they received from most record labels with the &#8220;pay with you want thing&#8221; but it was really because everyone seemed to love the album (except me of course <img src='http://awmusic.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> ).</p>
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		<title>By: herohill</title>
		<link>http://awmusic.ca/2008/08/16/raconteurs-consolers-of-the-lonely-review/comment-page-1/#comment-1336</link>
		<dc:creator>herohill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure to be honest. With so many blogs posting so many songs, what value does someone writing - OMGZ, this song rules - really have? Even if you take the time to write something thought filled, well, when I look at our traffic stats I see that 75% of the visitors just want the song. You can post on a band no one has heard of, and no one cares - trust me, we do that a lot and our traffic reflects it. 

Or you can post on a huge band, say nothing and watch your traffic spike. I guess it comes down to if you want to find new bands, or talk about bands that the big blogs do?

I agree with you, giving a song or two away only makes sense - although, people seem to give away more than the free songs and then bitch about the band getting mad or getting the ole web sheriff involved. 

If you don&#039;t give us an mp3, we don&#039;t post on it, but I guess if you need someone to PR the shit out of your record it&#039;s probably not great. If you don&#039;t care about PR-ing your record, well, you probably have more than enough cash and fans to not bother with blogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure to be honest. With so many blogs posting so many songs, what value does someone writing &#8211; OMGZ, this song rules &#8211; really have? Even if you take the time to write something thought filled, well, when I look at our traffic stats I see that 75% of the visitors just want the song. You can post on a band no one has heard of, and no one cares &#8211; trust me, we do that a lot and our traffic reflects it. </p>
<p>Or you can post on a huge band, say nothing and watch your traffic spike. I guess it comes down to if you want to find new bands, or talk about bands that the big blogs do?</p>
<p>I agree with you, giving a song or two away only makes sense &#8211; although, people seem to give away more than the free songs and then bitch about the band getting mad or getting the ole web sheriff involved. </p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t give us an mp3, we don&#8217;t post on it, but I guess if you need someone to PR the shit out of your record it&#8217;s probably not great. If you don&#8217;t care about PR-ing your record, well, you probably have more than enough cash and fans to not bother with blogs.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan</title>
		<link>http://awmusic.ca/2008/08/16/raconteurs-consolers-of-the-lonely-review/comment-page-1/#comment-1334</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I was just trying too hard to hate MGMT when I wrote that. With MGMT it was everything in general that just put me off e.g. the drug friendly music, their clothing, PR, simplistic music being praised way too ridiculously.

I don&#039;t hate pushy PR people per se, I just wanted it to be about the music and they REALLY pushed the idea of giving away free stuff rather then promoting the music in itself.

In terms of gauging who I hate more, I would say I hate bands who don&#039;t want to give out their music for free.

Like you said it&#039;s a have and have nots world. I guess I just choose to hate the bands that have.

I don&#039;t think it&#039;s the right way to go about things and you can argue that I shouldn&#039;t be the one to say how what is right and how it should work. However, hating p2p and shutting down music blogs isn&#039;t proof that artists make more any more money. You are for sure hurting yourself if you are against viral marketing.

It isn&#039;t flat out stealing when we&#039;re sharing MP3s. We are giving credit, when you download an mp3 you know where it&#039;s coming from and who made it.

I&#039;m obviously quite biased but is it wrong to think blogs who write snippets about certain tracks and promoting the band is wrong? I really feel they missed out on a good marketing tool with the situation they put upon themselves and they missed out. 

I just hated the album btw. I tried to not it let it effect the way I reviewed it but it was one of those things that pissed me off earlier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I was just trying too hard to hate MGMT when I wrote that. With MGMT it was everything in general that just put me off e.g. the drug friendly music, their clothing, PR, simplistic music being praised way too ridiculously.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t hate pushy PR people per se, I just wanted it to be about the music and they REALLY pushed the idea of giving away free stuff rather then promoting the music in itself.</p>
<p>In terms of gauging who I hate more, I would say I hate bands who don&#8217;t want to give out their music for free.</p>
<p>Like you said it&#8217;s a have and have nots world. I guess I just choose to hate the bands that have.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s the right way to go about things and you can argue that I shouldn&#8217;t be the one to say how what is right and how it should work. However, hating p2p and shutting down music blogs isn&#8217;t proof that artists make more any more money. You are for sure hurting yourself if you are against viral marketing.</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t flat out stealing when we&#8217;re sharing MP3s. We are giving credit, when you download an mp3 you know where it&#8217;s coming from and who made it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m obviously quite biased but is it wrong to think blogs who write snippets about certain tracks and promoting the band is wrong? I really feel they missed out on a good marketing tool with the situation they put upon themselves and they missed out. </p>
<p>I just hated the album btw. I tried to not it let it effect the way I reviewed it but it was one of those things that pissed me off earlier.</p>
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		<title>By: herohill</title>
		<link>http://awmusic.ca/2008/08/16/raconteurs-consolers-of-the-lonely-review/comment-page-1/#comment-1332</link>
		<dc:creator>herohill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really don&#039;t understand why you are so against these bands that don&#039;t want people to give away their music. I mean, I could give less than a rat&#039;s ass about Oasis or the Raconteurs, but the difference you seem to be missing is that most of the band&#039;s that give music away are just hoping to get noticed. Once you get signed to a major label and don&#039;t have to work, I think it makes a difference. 

People on major labels get fucked for their cash all the time, so of course they want to recoup. It&#039;s the same in any industry. Let&#039;s say you start a web design company... you might do a couple of sites for free, but after you get established, you&#039;d be pretty pissed if people just stole your code and never gave you a dime.

You seem to dislike pushy PR people (ie MGMT&#039;s peeps) tha tcarept bomb sites and you don&#039;t want an album to be restricted, so what do you think works? How should bands go about getting heard AND getting paid?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really don&#8217;t understand why you are so against these bands that don&#8217;t want people to give away their music. I mean, I could give less than a rat&#8217;s ass about Oasis or the Raconteurs, but the difference you seem to be missing is that most of the band&#8217;s that give music away are just hoping to get noticed. Once you get signed to a major label and don&#8217;t have to work, I think it makes a difference. </p>
<p>People on major labels get fucked for their cash all the time, so of course they want to recoup. It&#8217;s the same in any industry. Let&#8217;s say you start a web design company&#8230; you might do a couple of sites for free, but after you get established, you&#8217;d be pretty pissed if people just stole your code and never gave you a dime.</p>
<p>You seem to dislike pushy PR people (ie MGMT&#8217;s peeps) tha tcarept bomb sites and you don&#8217;t want an album to be restricted, so what do you think works? How should bands go about getting heard AND getting paid?</p>
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		<title>By: Allan</title>
		<link>http://awmusic.ca/2008/08/16/raconteurs-consolers-of-the-lonely-review/comment-page-1/#comment-1329</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll just call it an old school train of thought. It doesn&#039;t necessarily make that much sense to give away something for free and &quot;get nothing back&quot;.

It&#039;s a different type of advertising e.g. viral marketing that&#039;s taking place and if they don&#039;t want to embrace it, it&#039;s fine with me but out with the old in with the new. I have the opportunity of getting a chance to review Dig Out Your Soul, I don&#039;t know if I want it on my website if they continue to be pricks.

There are people with no money who go into debt for their work expecting nothing back, Noel has millions so he can go fuck himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll just call it an old school train of thought. It doesn&#8217;t necessarily make that much sense to give away something for free and &#8220;get nothing back&#8221;.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a different type of advertising e.g. viral marketing that&#8217;s taking place and if they don&#8217;t want to embrace it, it&#8217;s fine with me but out with the old in with the new. I have the opportunity of getting a chance to review Dig Out Your Soul, I don&#8217;t know if I want it on my website if they continue to be pricks.</p>
<p>There are people with no money who go into debt for their work expecting nothing back, Noel has millions so he can go fuck himself.</p>
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		<title>By: Welikeit.indie</title>
		<link>http://awmusic.ca/2008/08/16/raconteurs-consolers-of-the-lonely-review/comment-page-1/#comment-1325</link>
		<dc:creator>Welikeit.indie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder what are your thoughts on the comment that Noel Gallagher from Oasis did about free music and their upcoming release Dig Out Your Soul:

&quot;I didn&#039;t spend a year in the most expensive studio in England, with the most expensive producer in America, and the most expensive graphic designer in London to then give it away. Fuck that.&quot; 

http://blog.welikeitindie.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder what are your thoughts on the comment that Noel Gallagher from Oasis did about free music and their upcoming release Dig Out Your Soul:</p>
<p>&#8220;I didn&#8217;t spend a year in the most expensive studio in England, with the most expensive producer in America, and the most expensive graphic designer in London to then give it away. Fuck that.&#8221; </p>
<p><a href="http://blog.welikeitindie.com" rel="nofollow">http://blog.welikeitindie.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Allan</title>
		<link>http://awmusic.ca/2008/08/16/raconteurs-consolers-of-the-lonely-review/comment-page-1/#comment-1315</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a crappy website you have!</description>
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		<title>By: satansmothers</title>
		<link>http://awmusic.ca/2008/08/16/raconteurs-consolers-of-the-lonely-review/comment-page-1/#comment-1314</link>
		<dc:creator>satansmothers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what a gay post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what a gay post!</p>
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